OK, Fox News...let's see you be "fair and balanced" on THIS one--Sarah Palin sits through anti-Jewish sermon
You don't even need to go to You Tube to get it...Wasilla Bible Church very kindly has the audio and transcript on their website--August 17th.
David Brickner of Jews for Jesus:
But what we see in Israel, the conflict that is spilled out throughout the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment. There is judgment that is going on in the land, and that’s the other part of this Jerusalem Dilemma. When Jesus was standing in that temple, He spoke that that judgment was coming, that there’s a reality to the judgment of unbelief. He said “I long to gather you, but...” what? “You were unwilling.” God never forces His way on human beings. And so because Jerusalem was unwilling to receive His grace, judgment was coming...
...When Isaac was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment—you can’t miss it.
Ben Smith has an excellent analysis of what Sarah Palin's addition to the ticket means to the Jewish voters in this election.
Labels: Election 2008, Governor Sarah Palin, Jewish vote, Jews for Jesus, John McCain, judgment, RNC, sermon, Wasilla Bible Church
posted by CelticDiva at 12:07 AM
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Oh Please... as if her sitting there was somehow an unbridled endorsement of what the man was saying... assuming she disagrees with what he said.
It's sad that every little tid bit and crumb is being unearthed in hopes of bringing her down. As if her even HEARING a potential controversial statement is worthy ammunition against her and the mccain campaiagn.
We had Jews for Jesus show up at changepoint one Sunday a few years ago. I didn't have a clue they were going to be there until I sat down. Now are you trying to tell me just HEARING the Jews for Jesus sermon is worthy ammunition against me or anyone else listening?
Please... what nonsense... go find another crumb....
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anti-sarahcon:
Clearly you must have been out of the country when they were busting Barack Obama for speeches Rev. Wright gave WHEN OBAMA WASN'T EVEN THERE. I'm just asking for Fox News to live up to their "fair and balanced" name, and every other news outlet while their at it, to turn this into a huge deal as well.
The difference is, Wright was "god-damning" America in his pulpit and not talking about who was going to heaven or not. He was blowing his big mouth off over politics, something the left likes to do in churches while condeming the right for doing it. We are always seeing some nitwit Democrat running for office and speaking in some predominately black church.
So much for the lefts silly argument of the misconstrued seperation of church and state.
Therefore you post doesn't hold water and you need to find something else to nit-pick over.
Besides, aren't you a pagan or wiccan or something to that effect? Don't you believe in the rule of three? What you slam others with will come back to you threefold? Or do you think you have a big enough circle of protective light around you to bounce off all the bad karma?
Even circles of light can get cracks in them if you aren't careful. If I were you I'd be working on my nice factor, like turning your blog into a discussion on herbal magic.
Valkyrie
The difference is, Wright was "god-damning" America in his pulpit and not talking about who was going to heaven or not.
Did you ignore all of the other sermons...sermons he wasn't there for...that they were throwing at Obama that had to do with alleged "anti-semetism" or other issues? No, ya'll don't get to give Sarah a pass on this one. It wasn't about folks "going to heaven or not"...it was insinuating that Jews were dying because of the "judgment" of God...and she was sitting there.
And my spiritual beliefs don't follow any organized religion...even pagan. I believe that at the heart of the matter, we're all praying to the same Higher Power.
Obama is still screwing it up when it comes down to the Jews and Israel. In one breath he says Jerusalem is and always will be the capital of Israel and in the second breath he says it's still on the chopping block of decision between Israelis and Palestinians.
Besides, why is it the left, that does the most yelling when it comes to Israel and American Jews, are the first to jump up and start pointing out so called anti-Semitism? At least what they consider anti-Semitism of the right and I'm not talking nutjobs on the fringe such as the whack job in Kansas that wants to hang everyone including Jerry Prevo because he isn't as damn crazy as they are.
Now, as for the Jews for Jesus and this talk of what they say about fellow Jews...Jews that aren't involved with Jews for Jesus have said the same thing for quite sometime now. A number of Orthodox believe until the Jewish Messiah shows up and leads the way bad things will happen to good Jews that take it upon themselves to begin before he arrives. Anti-Semitic? Not really, just (in my not so humble opinion) silly notions.
Obama's preacher was preaching hate the United States BS and Palin's church hosted a confused Jewish guy who believes Jesus is the only way to get to heaven.
If you rightly remember the Catholics, through the Cardinal Newman Chair of Catholic Theology, helped import a whole group of Muslims over a number of months this last year. There was plenty of remarks thrown into each speakers talk about Palestinian rights. Some people might look at that as being just as anti-Semitic.
Valkyrie
While I hate to even have a remotely similar opinion on anything to brave, brave Valkyrie, I have to say I'm not sure that really constitutes as anti-Jewish, at least not with the connotations of antisemitism. It is anti-jewish in the same way that it is anti-'any-non-evangelical' when an evangelical says "you're going to hell because you don't believe." It's not *good* but it's nothing to do with Jewish people, other than that's who this particular group is deciding to target.
Perhaps there's more out there about this group that I haven't seen, but the quote and the link don't have anything I would consider anti-Jewish. The aforementioned anti-non-evangelical, yes. Perhaps even anti-Israeli. But it is *very* important to draw a distinction between anti-Israeli sentiment and antisemitism, as using the blanked label of anti-Jewish anytime someone says something idiotic about Jews takes focus away from real antisemitism - a prejudice where a person or groups Jewish heritage is motivation for, not just incidental to the idiocy.
For the record, I feel strongly about this because I have been tarred with the anti-Israel = antisemitic brush many times. I am critical of the policies and actions of a nation, but pro-Israeli sentiment exploits and diminishes the suffering of Jews throughout history as a free pass for what would elsewhere be called war crimes, and denounced en-masse by the West if Israel were predominantly Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu... That's not about Jews, its about Israel. And from what I can tell, while reprehensible, David Brickner's comments (at least these ones) are not about Jews either, they're about evangelism.
As for the left and erroneous claims of antisemitism, it happens, but nowhere near as often as conservatives making more excessively erroneous claims.
The difference is, Wright was "god-damning" America in his pulpit and not talking about who was going to heaven or not.
Actually 'god-damning' is precisely about who is going to heaven or not. The difference here is that Wright was a spiritual guide for Obama, not a political one. Conversely, Palins politics are shaped predominantly, perhaps even entirely, by her faith, which makes the politics of her fellow parishioners much more relevant to discussions of her character.
Yes, the 'left' speaks politically in church just as the 'right' does. That is not an issue, for either side. What is the problem is when people start talking their faith in politics. And yes, they all do it. It's basically a prerequisite for political office in the US (which has a lot to do why the rest of the world thinks you're a bunch of loons). But this is where the 'right' and 'left' differ. Conservatives generally brandish their faith as a guiding light, the reason for being and pull the kind of "god's will" bullshit to get away with almost anything. Creationism in schools, wars, oil pipelines. And those are all instances of that kind of theocratic thinking displayed by Palin. Conversely, Obama has said, on record: by all means, let your faith guide you, but faith alone is not reason for law.
Oh, I've never been accused of being brave, but I do go where angels fear to tread. How brave are you? Don't see you printing your name anywhere on the blogs...that is another subject though. If and when I decide to post my real name is my business not yours.
Now as for the righteous rev and his god-damning America, a nation can not go to hell (not the wayyou are trying to pass off his inane sermon) only people go to the hell you are trying to connect it with. He was slamming the United States whether you want to accept that or not. He's a black racist and his teachings weren't just "spiritual". As a matter of fact after listening to him rant I doubt he knows any more about being spiritual than any evangelical.
And I'm sure you have been plastered with the anti-Semitic title more than once. It's usually caused from having selective hearing and blinders on.
Valkyrie
Not a name, no. But my handle does link to my blogs, which have a lot about me.
I did not suggest that Wright was only teaching spiritual matters, but rather that they were the only things Obama was taking away. Something he himself has said; describing Wright as a spiritual guide, or something to that effect, but not a political guide. I have grown up surrounded by Christianity, and my parents are both clergy. I know from experience that one does not have to agree on politics to gain spiritual understanding from someone.
Nor am I trying to pass anything off. He's a dick. But he's a dick that Obama wants nothing to do with.
As for whether a nation can go to hell, it's a matter of semantics. If you define a nation as an impersonal entiity, probably not. If you define it as a collection of people, it can. Assuming there is a hell, which is doubtful at best.
You're just employing a double standard in your interpretations. You say Rev W was preaching hate and the Jews for Jesus guy is just confused. Both of them were preaching hate, the only difference is one was used to grill a politician on a global scale, and the other is being pretty much ignored, despite being arguably more significant.
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